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We often see terrorists as those lurking in the shadows, in the margins of society.

We often hear talk about state sponsored terrorism justifying all sort of harsh penalties from sanctions to occupation.

Yet reading a Report by Amnesty International

Trigger-happy: Israel’s use of excessive force in the West Bank

   Amnesty International documented the killing of 22 Palestinian civilians in the West Bank in 2013. At least four were children.
    According to the UN, more West Bank Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in 2013 than in 2011 and 2012 combined.
    In the last three years at least 261 Palestinians, including 67 children, have been seriously injured by live ammunition fired by Israeli forces in the West Bank.
    More than 8,000 Palestinians in the West Bank, including 1,500 children, have been wounded with rubber-coated metal bullets and the reckless use of tear gas since January 2011.
You can read the whole pdf here
Israeli soldiers have repeatedly committed serious human rights and humanitarian law violations, including unlawful killings, in response to Palestinian opposition and protests in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. The cases documented in this report represent only a minority of the cases that have occurred over recent years and which follow a general pattern, in which Israeli forces use excessive, often lethal, force against Palestinians who pose no threat to their lives or the lives of others. Soldiers are permitted to do so effectively with impunity– inasmuch as the official system established to investigate alleged human rights violations or other abuses by Israeli soldiers is neither independent nor impartial
Try substituting another country in place of Israel if you can.

I know what comments will follow this report by large sections of the media and political elite, impartiality and antisemitism etc, etc. I am tired of hearing this knee jerk claptrap to any criticism of Israel, I am tired of the protective security blanket that the US affords to such an extent that only the Palestinians are responsible for this horrible fate.

Make up your own mind.

Remind me, what is terrorism?

The first bullet struck 16-year-old Samir Awad in his left leg. He staggered away as fast as he could, but was too slow. A second round slammed into his left shoulder, exiting from the right side of his chest. Then, moments later, a third bullet penetrated the back of his skull and exited from his forehead

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  •  Tip Jar: I'm wearing body armor (18+ / 0-)

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:17:24 AM PST

    •  Is it possible (1+ / 0-)
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      To be both a terrorist and a victim of terrorism?  Or are they exclusive propositions?  
      Can one be both oppressed and an oppressor, a thief and a victim of theft?

      or is just one or the other?  

      It seems that being a victim of terror immunizes one from being accused of terrorism.  Is that how it works?  

      Like our drone program?  

    •  You'll need (4+ / 0-)

      a helmet to protect your head/brain from virtual piercing, mind bending bullets. Terrorists are whoever they tell you is 'gonna kill yer family'. We're all pre-criminal, terrist's and potential enemies of the global state on this bus. When did any resistance become terrorism? Insurgents is another vague name for being opposed to the invading Visigoths.  

      •  I heard (0+ / 0-)

        that the term "Insurgent", was coined by the French, to describe the French, mostly Aristocratic, and initially self funded, volunteers to fight in the American Revolution, before it was official French Policy

        'The way Saudi private individuals fund AQ fighters around the world.

  •  Well, it would be terrorism (4+ / 0-)

    if force, or threat of force were used to intimidate or coerce a population to compel them to act in a way that is harmful to the terrorized community.

    or

    It is only terrorism when "they" do it.

  •  oops thought you meant terrierism (5+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:22:20 AM PST

  •  Bob Corker, Tennessee, and... (6+ / 0-)

    ...the Volkswagen union vote.

    If that ain't terrorism, I'm Amitabh Bachchan!

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:22:24 AM PST

  •  If they share our values (3+ / 0-)
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    or have Oil (but rarely both), then they can't be terrorists.  

  •  To start, Islamist antisecular campaign in Nigeria (7+ / 2-)
    LAGOS, Nigeria — After herding the female students into a classroom, Islamist militants from the group Boko Haram fatally burned or shot dozens of male students in an attack late Monday on a state college in northeastern Nigeria, officials said on Tuesday. It was the fourth school assault attributed to the group in less than a year.
    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion or in politics, but it is not the path to knowledge, and there is no place for it in the endeavor of science. Carl Sagan

    by Kvetchnrelease on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:26:38 AM PST

    •  so two wrongs make something right? (4+ / 0-)
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      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:28:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You asked (6+ / 0-)

        Specifically, "Try substituting another country in place of Israel if you can"

        I think Kvetch came up with a pretty horrific example. I imagine plenty more can be provided, you know, like sewing up girls' vaginas, executing people because they are gay, etc.

        •  "state sponsored terrorism" (3+ / 0-)
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          and "another country" were the key phrases here. Boko Haram is not state sponsored.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 01:19:38 PM PST

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          •  Here you go: Syria (4+ / 0-)

            The Syrian military has killed more people -- Arab people, it's own citizens, since this diary went up than Israeli security forces have killed in the past 2 years. The Syrian military has killed more people -- Arab people, it's own citizens, in the past two years than Israel has EVER killed.

            That's an easy one, I didn't even have to go very far.

            •  And we have sanctions on Syria (3+ / 0-)

              We don't on Israel.

              This isn't a game of who's worse. Myanmar was horrible too. Russia sucks, so does North Korea. That doesn't change what Israel does.

              I think too many people read the title and not the diary Intentionally killing civilians is terrorism, and that's what Israel is doing.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 03:50:52 PM PST

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              •  Syria is intentionally killing civilians (5+ / 0-)

                By the thousands. More than 100,000 during this civil war.

                You know what countries have more Arabs imprisoned and being tortured than Israel? EVERY Arab country between Morocco in the west and Iraq in the east.

                I didn't get hung up on the title. The diarist asks "Try substituting another country in place of Israel if you can." She asks us to play a game of who's worse. She invites it. And it's an easy game to win. It's like Kareem Abdul Jabbar playing basketball against a toddler. What countries are terrorizing their own citizens right now? Egypt. Syria. Saudi Arabia. The Sudan. Somalia. Iraq. Myanmar. Russia. North Korea. China. Now we can add Uganda to the mix, unless gay people don't count as much as Palestinians. Well, I guess they don't, the UN doesn't even have an agency dedicated full-time to gay people.

                •  And when you substitute another country (3+ / 0-)

                  it becomes terrorism, but not when it's Israel.

                  You have missed the entire point. It's not a game of who's worse, it's pointing out the double standard. When Syria deliberately kills civilians it's terrorism, when Israel does it it's not. It's not about worse or better. It's about hypocrisy.

                  If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                  by AoT on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 05:31:11 PM PST

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                  •  No, you miss the point. Entirely (4+ / 0-)
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                    The double standard is that you focus entirely on Israel, as if it's the worst country in the world, when there are well more than a dozen examples easily at hand of countries so vile, so abhorrent, so cruel and brutal, you would vomit if you looked long enough. Syria has slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians in the past year -- women, children, the elderly. How can you presume to focus your attention on Israel when right next door atrocities 100-fold are taking place? The hypocrisy is appalling. And I will do you the honor of calling it hypocrisy, and not something else.

                    You people shit cinderblocks when Israel -- the Jewish state -- so much as looks at Arabs cross-eyed, but you engage in Cirque du Soleil contortions to avoid the sordid truth that Arabs kill more fellow Arabs daily than Israel farts at in a year.

                    •  But the diarist... (3+ / 1-)
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                      ...says herself that she is SOOOOO "tired of hearing this knee jerk claptrap to any criticism of Israel, [...] tired of the protective security blanket that the US affords to such an extent that only the Palestinians are responsible for this horrible fate."

                      Not that anybody accused her of it before she went and laid out her own Livingstone Formulation, but hey.

                      This diarist is just very, very, very, very, veryveryveryvery concerned about Israel.  And that's all there is to it, in their own words!

                      •  No what the diarist is totally fed up is the (2+ / 0-)

                        completely distorted view of the situation as always being the sole fault of the Palestinians

                        blanket that the US affords to such an extent that only the Palestinians are responsible for this horrible fate.
                        In the diarists opinion it is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, the struggle for peace however is not a fair one and the US has historically distorted the balance of power in favor of one side over the other by means of a string of vetoes longer than both my arms.

                        "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

                        by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 01:23:25 AM PST

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                    •  Way to make things up about me (2+ / 0-)
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                      I don't avoid the fact that Arabs kill other Arabs. But go live in your little world where everyone you disagree with is a horrible person who only cares about hating Israel.

                      How can you presume to focus your attention on Israel when right next door atrocities 100-fold are taking place?
                      None of my tax money goes to support the atrocities in Syria. None at all. In fact, the government has sanctions on Syria. But just pretend like that doesn't happen. And pretend like my tax money doesn't go to kill Palestinians. Talk about stupidity.

                      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                      by AoT on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:20:25 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  So that's it, you only care about the money (4+ / 0-)
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                        You're like the Republicans who complain loudly that they don't want their tax dollars going to pay for family planning, teaching Spanish, affordable health care, food stamps, etc.

                        •  It's not about the money (1+ / 0-)
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                          It's about supporting the killing of civilians. The fact that you'd compare killing children to teaching Spanish speaks volumes about you. Absolutely pathetic.

                          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                          by AoT on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 06:43:28 AM PST

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                          •  So is it about the money or isn't it? (1+ / 0-)
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                            "None of my tax money goes to support the atrocities in Syria. None at all. In fact, the government has sanctions on Syria. But just pretend like that doesn't happen. And pretend like my tax money doesn't go to kill Palestinians."

                            Your words. Are you calling yourself a liar?

                            As for your tax dollars, they go to the Palestinians, too. Hamas is an openly terrorist organization that has been chastised before for deliberately firing rockets into civilian areas, not to mention sending suicide bombers into nightclubs and restaurants and buses and markets where civilians congregate. And it is anti-women and anti-gay. The Palestinian Authority has engaged in terrorist acts numerous times in the past, through Fatah and other factions. It is also anti-gay, and it regularly engages in torture of its own prisoners. Your tax dollars go to them, too, but I guess that's OK with you.

                          •  It's about being complicit in the murder of kids (0+ / 0-)

                            It's not that I'm opposed to taxes, it's that I don't want to be complicit in the killing of children. You might be perfectly fine with what our government does but I'm not.

                            As for your tax dollars, they go to the Palestinians, too. Hamas is an openly terrorist organization that has been chastised before for deliberately firing rockets into civilian areas, not to mention sending suicide bombers into nightclubs and restaurants and buses and markets where civilians congregate. And it is anti-women and anti-gay.
                            And as soon as Hamas was legitimately elected the US cut off funds to Palestine. So my tax dollars didn't go there. I assume you think we should do the same to Israel based on their terrorism. We've cut off other groups for less than what Israel is doing, Iran springs to mind. But you're obsessed with Israel being able to do whatever it wants so you aren't actually concerned about the US funding Israel.

                            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                            by AoT on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:51:44 AM PST

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                          •  The Palestinians have killed many kids (0+ / 1-)
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                            Hamas gets money through the UN, which is funded primarily by the US. The PA gets hundreds of millions from the US.

                            If you really cared about children getting killed, you wouldn't be so quick to defend the Palestinians.

                          •  Sigh. (0+ / 0-)
                            If you really cared about children getting killed, you wouldn't be so quick to defend the Palestinians.
                            Israel is responsible for the death of thousands of Palestinian children. That's what this is about. You are more concerned with the lives of a few dozen Israelis than you are with the death of thousands of Palestinians. And where was it that I defended the Palestinians? No where.

                            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                            by AoT on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 12:35:55 PM PST

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                          •  The discounting of any casuality count of dead (1+ / 0-)
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                            children is problematic at best.

                            "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

                            by JNEREBEL on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 12:58:40 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm not discounting any casualties (0+ / 0-)

                            I'm pointing out that the commenter is completely ignoring the Palestinian children who are killed. The commenter is desperately ignoring their death because to acknowledge it would mean criticizing Israel and that's just not acceptable.

                            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                            by AoT on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 01:03:37 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Good to know because when (1+ / 0-)
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                            RedsFanForever

                            you say:

                            You are more concerned with the lives of a few dozen Israelis than you are with the death of thousands of Palestinians.
                            It can leave a different impression.

                            "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

                            by JNEREBEL on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 01:26:10 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That makes no sense (0+ / 0-)

                            I made a comment about the priorities of someone else, not myself. The other commenter completely ignores the Palestinian children who have been killed. Pointing that out says nothing about my concern for the dead. It doesn't give that impression, you just say that it does.

                            Note that I'm not saying you don't care about the Palestinian dead because you say I don't care about the Israeli dead. That would be a huge stretch.

                            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                            by AoT on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 01:32:59 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Sure it does. (2+ / 0-)
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                            You are criticizing the other commenter's values for ignoring the larger death toll by focus on the smaller number of Israeli deaths.

                            I state that is not a valid criticism to correlate the level of anguish with the number of deaths of children.

                            Ask any parent how many children's deaths it takes to generate a level of anguish necessary to prevent any single future child's death and I can assure you the number is zero.

                            "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

                            by JNEREBEL on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 04:02:50 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

    •  Boko Haram (1+ / 0-)
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      Not that I think the commenter's making a moral equivalence between theconduct of the  Israeli forces and the conduct of Boko Haram is fully justified, Boko Haram is quite distinct and apart from the dominant Muslim forces in North Nigeria.  They were a self declared indigenous, anti-modernist group until a few years ago.  

    •  HR this isn't related to the diary at all (2+ / 0-)
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      It's another "look over there at Darfur Muslims are oppressors too" dairy derail type comment.  If you care about what is happening in Central African Republic or Nigeria, you should make a diary.

    •  Is that Palestinian Nigeria? There is a serious (1+ / 0-)
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      problem with the relevance of this stupid ass comment.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:22:48 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Confusing (0+ / 0-)

    It used to be a matter of extra legal and unjust targeting of non combatants to compel a government to change behaviours or undermine a governing force.

    Like the Iscarii in Palestine, going around knifing random romans in crowds, just for shock and awe value.  

  •  "Remind me what is terrorism" (8+ / 0-)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/...

    Four killed in bombing of Israel-bound bus at Egypt border
    Explosion rocks tourist bus en route to Eilat, leaving 3 Koreans, 1 Egyptian dead; terror alert is raised in Sinai
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/...
    Muslim Brotherhood says Taba victims were ‘Zionists’
    In tweet, outlawed Egyptian Islamist party ignores fact that the three tourists killed in the blast were South Korean
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/...
    Al-Qaeda-linked group claims Sunday’s Taba bombing
    Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis says that it will continue to attack Egypt after killing 4 on tourist bus
    ................................
    http://www.aljazeera.com/...
    Israel says bus blast was "terrorist attack"
    No one was injured after device exploded but police call attack most serious strike inside country since 2012.
    Last updated: 23 Dec 2013 08:07
    http://www.nytimes.com/...
    Published: November 21, 2012

     TEL AVIV — A blast, a plume of smoke, the smell of gunpowder and a blown-up bus — scenes that had begun to fade from the collective Israeli memory came back in sharp relief on Wednesday, along with a renewed sense of vulnerability, when a bomb exploded on a passenger bus just after midday, injuring more than 20 people in the heart of Tel Aviv.

    ...................................
    http://en.wikipedia.org/...
    This is a detailed list of Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks on Israel in 2013. All of the attacks originated in the Gaza Strip, unless stated otherwise.

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:46:31 AM PST

    •  You can't be implying (3+ / 0-)
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      that Israeli forces are using terrorism to prevent or respond to terrorism?

      •  You are right , I can't be implying (5+ / 0-)

        that Israeli forces are using terrorism to prevent or respond to terrorism . Only a willful misreading could lead a person to that ridiculous conclusion . Only a person in bad faith could read that into it . Thank you for not jumping to ridiculously absurd understandings like so many fools do .

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

        by indycam on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:38:51 AM PST

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    •  So those things make Israels actions (4+ / 0-)

      not terrorism somehow?

      Or are you just throwing out things that have nothing to do with the diary?

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:05:48 AM PST

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      •  Is that what I said ? (3+ / 0-)
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        So those things make Israels actions
        not terrorism somehow?
        Please quote me where I said that . If you can't , then what the fuck do you think you are doing ?

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

        by indycam on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:34:19 AM PST

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        •  Asking a question, perhaps? See that curly (2+ / 0-)
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          thing at the end, the one that looks like "?"? That is called a "question mark". It indicates that the preceding verbiage is a question.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:26:25 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  So then you aren't saying anything at all (0+ / 0-)

          Why are you bothering posting?

          I asked you what the point was and you can't be bothered to answer.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:02:55 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Some people think that any criticism of Israel (2+ / 0-)
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            has to be balanced by criticism of its enemies, in the same post or article or statement, in order to not be biased. I kind of understand this inclination, even if I don't agree. The problem is, if someone were to post a diary detailing violence against Israelis by Palestinians, I doubt that diary would be free of comments bringing up Israeli violence. Just as diaries about violence by left-leaning governments are sometimes responded to with comments about US violence.

            Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

            by AaronInSanDiego on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:21:05 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  So your response to the killings of Palestinians (0+ / 0-)

      is to produce multiple stories of the same event in which 4 tourists where killed in Egypt as well as one in which no one died.  You should try harder to justify the apartheid state of Israel.

      I guess Israeli injuries are more serious a to you then the active murder of Palestinian children.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

      •  Let me just flame you here . (6+ / 0-)
        You should try harder to justify the apartheid state of Israel.
        You just made your reputation for me , I'll not forget what you have wildly pulled out of thin air and flung at me .

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

        by indycam on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:31:42 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Wow. You've been (0+ / 0-)

          taking Ray lessons, haven't you?

          There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

          by Joieau on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:34:05 AM PST

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          •  Wow. You've been (1+ / 0-)
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            taking Ray bryfry lessons, haven't you?
            Or is it nnadir that you are now taking up ?

            You should try harder to justify the apartheid state of Israel.
            I guess Israeli injuries are more serious a to you then the active murder of Palestinian children.
            Who was it that stuck up for you when you were banned from this site ?
            Who was it that posted the facts that defeated the bullshit attacks on you ?
            Who was it that you thanked for those things ?

            I regret helping you in the past , it will not happen again .

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

            by indycam on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:07:42 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  Amnesty is pointing out some important things (2+ / 0-)
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        the active murder of Palestinian children
        Anastasia, could you please point out where in the Amnesty report they suggest that Israel is committing deliberate "active murder of Palestinian children"?

        I think Amnesty is saying that Israel is overreacting to protesters who become violent, but you've probably spent more time with the report than I have.

    •  Those reminders... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...don't fit the preconceived narrative, however, indycam.

      Btw, every (clear) day at work in Elizabeth, NJ I have a view of a never-ending reminder of what terrorism is, every time I look just a few miles to the northeast and see a certain new NYC landmark standing in place of a certain former NYC landmark.

  •  Dont know about terrorism (5+ / 0-)

    any more.  It is a label without a meaning.  Has been hijacked.  War Crimes, however,  have a much more specific and generally accepted definition.

  •  I generally avoid using the word "terrorism" (3+ / 0-)
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    For this reason pretty much all the time.

    The word is extremely connotative at this point and cannot reasonably be used to shed light on anything. Describing something as "terrorism" can only create emotional reactions and confusion.

    Prior to 9/11, "terrorism" was a rough shorthand for "someone blowing up a bus". Now I don't know what it means. I think it has to join the word "spiritual" as "words that are too confusing to be useful".

    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

    by Sparhawk on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:43:36 AM PST

  •  Yes,label diluted and misappropriated all the time (0+ / 0-)

    The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion or in politics, but it is not the path to knowledge, and there is no place for it in the endeavor of science. Carl Sagan

    by Kvetchnrelease on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 06:07:16 AM PST

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