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Sometimes one has to laugh at the hypocrisy of our media both the corporate "left" and "right" I was watching Lawrence O'Donnell using the repression of Pussy Riot to have a go at Edward Snowden.

Now I wouldn't mind the comparison between how Russia and the US deal with protest movements but you have to start with equivalences and stick to the point. The suppression of Pussy Riot in Sochi by pushing, hitting and pepper spraying reminds you of what? Suppression of the Occupy Movement? Yep in the face of peaceful protest both our Governments resort to what exactly?

US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park.
Funny how at the time Lawrence O'Donnell had this to say
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Funny how memory becomes extraordinarily short when you want to make an irrelevant point to attack someone else.

But, but our police brutality is less than your police brutality?

Is it any different than this?
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You want to talk about repression and breech of privacy by the state, fine; but let us have an honest debate.

If you want to talk about whistle blowing, imprisonment, and abuse in prison that will be equally tough. Chelsea Manning anyone? Guantanamo and torture even?

Goddammit, I am fed up of this type of not so subtle hypocrisy

Get real for heavens sake.

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  •  Excellent point! (9+ / 0-)

    Thank you for saying this. Now let's see if anyone brings it to his attention. Haha. Even if that happened, could he make a retraction? No way.

  •  The hypocrisy (22+ / 0-)

    of the media going up and down the street interviewing Russians about their bigoted gay-beliefs is pretty damn amazing. They would get the exact same answers if they went up and down the halls of the Republican National Convention, but refuse to do so. They paint Putin as a grade A asshole (I mean its true but...), when Paul Ryan or Sarah Palins views are 10 x more extreme.

    If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.

    by LieparDestin on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 04:31:41 AM PST

  •  The stubborn delusions of the self satisfied ... (13+ / 0-)

    American, citizen of the "greatest country in the world." Lawrence O' Donnell is a creature of the media, with very little conscience or ability to think beyond the immediate tactical implications of any political action. Only in America would he be considered "of the left," he is a propagandist for the Democratic Party, not a journalist. Though he is most profoundly a Clintonite political hack.

    I find it very difficult to watch MSNBC anymore, the level of cheer-leading for the White House and almost anyone with a (D) in front of their name, like Harold Ford and Chuck Schumer, the tame lap dogs of Wall Street, have made the experience nauseating.

    Even Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes are becoming less journalistic in their approach and more personality focused, which is a shame, as both have strong policy backgrounds and fine minds.

    Oh Well, I'm sure Mr. Snowden can survive the meandering pip-squeaking diatribes of Lawrence O'Donnell.    

    "Intelligence is quickness in seeing things as they are..." George Santayana

    by KJG52 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 04:37:02 AM PST

    •  Strongly disagree regarding your assessment of (3+ / 0-)
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      Hayes and Maddow.  Their shows last night were exceptional, especially Rachel's on the entanglement of Duke Energy and NC's state government.  Hayes covered Wisconsin and Walker.  Both deal regularly with minority issues, women and the environment.  As we all know, they both have been following the NJ scandals in depth and with a wide array of interviewees, including people dealing with the anti-minority bias of Sandy aid disbursements.

      My read of your comment is that you're not watching very often or very closely.

      •  how about stuff on the TPP? the biggest deal in (0+ / 0-)

        our history of so-called  'trade' deals, one called 'NAFTA on steroids' and giving corporations the right to ignore our laws, including laws regarding labor and environmental regulations that might cost investors some profits.

        I don't get that channel (I get very few) so I don't know if they've covered it and considering how many links I've seen about the TPP, I don't remember seeing either one of them highlighted for their report on it.

        Maybe they have reported on it, I don't know because like I said ,I don't get that channel but please feel free to point one out.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 12:05:53 PM PST

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  •  Arrested on trumped-up charges & tortured to death (10+ / 0-)

    … at the hands of government officials of an imperial superpower — the dominant religion in Europe and America was founded by such a guy.

    But we'll never see the Lawrence O'Donnells of the world sticking up for the innocents in Guantanamo.

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    by lotlizard on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 05:17:17 AM PST

  •  Edward Snowden did make a statement about (31+ / 0-)

    human rights in Russia and Lawrence O'Donnell is such a useless tool that he showed it during the linked segment and he doesn't even know it.

    Yes, that's right. Stop the clip at 3:59 and look at the graphic on the left side of the screen, over O'Donnell's right shoulder. In the photo, taken during the press conference on July 12, 2013 at Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow, Edward Snowden is seated between two women.

    The woman to his left wearing the white blouse is Tanya Lokshina, a human rights activist icon in Russia. Almost any person in Russia who has any awareness of current events would recognize the controversial Lokshina. That picture which has appeared around the globe says something to Russians that Americans wouldn't get. The message in it isn't for us.

    Remember, this was the first opportunity for Russians to see and hear the man who had been confined to the airport for three weeks at that point. Seeing him next to Lokshina who was there as his defender was all that Russians needed to get it.

    There is no existence without doubt.

    by Mark Lippman on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 05:17:28 AM PST

  •  Your confusing journalism (11+ / 0-)

    with partisan sensationalism.

    TV pundits are nothing more than bought and paid for political hacks......

    I don't watch or listen anymore.  It's a constant ass kissing or bitching session depending on the topic.

    All have ZERO credibility.

    Turn it all off - you'll feel better.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:10:48 AM PST

  •  hear, hear (5+ / 0-)
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    thank you for this diary

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    by greenbastard on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:30:31 AM PST

  •  i'm not sure i get the point (5+ / 0-)

    o'donnell was ripping on the police for their attacks on occupy protesters, even said that you could watch the entire video and not find one protester doing anything that would justify arrest.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:30:40 AM PST

    •  That's the old (8+ / 0-)

      "then" video. The "now" video is the one she links to, in which O'Donnell blasts Snowden for failing to speak out against Putin, the man currently protecting it from the U.S. national security state and decades in prison.

      Let's make a deal: the U.S. government announces that it won't press charges against Snowden and allows him to come home. Then at that pooint if Snowden doesn't condemn Putin's attacks on whistleblowers and other abuses, then O'Donnell and other can call him a hypocrite.

      Pretty disgusting spectacle: millionaire journalists who have never risked anything - and who generally don't speak out against their own government -- judging a man do what he can to stay safe and free as the most powerful government in the world seeks his arrest.

      •  separate issues (0+ / 0-)

        i'm guessing o'donnell would say he's being consistent in denouncing police brutality. and he is. the first video has nothing to do with o'donnell's attempt to tie in snowden. i think it muddies the argument.

        the real question is whether snowden has been supportive of putin. i've seen no evidence of that. as far as i can tell, snowden ended up in russia because he had nowhere else to go, but that doesn't mean he supports putin. as far as i can tell, snowden has been seeking a safe haven elsewhere, but hasn't found a way to get to one. but i don't see how the first video helps make the case that o'donnell is making a bizarre stretch on snowden.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:54:30 AM PST

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        •  He's made some pro forma (8+ / 0-)

          pro-Putin comments, the way someone who needed protection would. Lotta liberals are unwilling, unable to appreciate the real danger he's in. Or maybe they want to see him suffer. Hence the calls for him to come home and face the music. Periodic reminder: he would be regarded as a hero by all liberals if Bush were president.

          •  Frankly I don't (0+ / 0-)

            give a fuck who is president.  

            I'm tired of hearing that.  

            It smacks of a great deal of disrespect and is dog whistle for "cult of personality" bullshit.

            Enough already.  Can we please drop the roxx crap?

            Anyone who isn't 100% on board with Snowden must be in delusional for Obama?

            Seriously?

            It isn't even logical.  One has nothing to do with the other.

            •  Well okay (4+ / 0-)

              If Bush were president, there might still be a smattering of authoritarian liberals sdefending the NSA, but the vast majority would be hailing Snowden for bringing its abuses to light.

              •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

                but where are all of these liberals that are defending the NSA?

                •  Right now they're distracted by the (3+ / 0-)
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                  urgent task of defending HRC's God given right to usher in eight more years of government by Goldman Sachs.

                  In 2006 Obama explicitly ruled out a 2008 run for president and declared he would remain in the senate until his term expired in 2010. Encouraging Elizabeth Warren to run in 2016 is the right thing to do.

                  by WisePiper on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:49:45 AM PST

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                  •  Wow, (0+ / 0-)

                    don't know any of them either.

                    I am hoping for someone other than Hilary, to tell you the truth.  She seems competent but I don't get the "right of ascension" thing.

                    The issue is conflating less than 100% approval of Snowden with over the top love of Obama, which makes no sense unless the intent is to be insulting.

                    Likewise, less than 100% approval of Snowden has been conflated with 'defending' the NSA.

                    Also completely specious.  

                    •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

                      turns out if you google "rite of ascension" you are greeted with articles about Klingon pain sticks.

                      Call me a geek and I'll be happy.

                      What I meant was attitude that Hilary is entitled (has the "right") to (ascend to) the Presidency for some reason.  

                      As I said, she's competent but too far to the right for me so I don't really understand the enthusiasm for her being in the WH.  Don't we want someone more liberal?

                      I do.

          •  merkel would gain some crediblity (0+ / 0-)

            if she'd let him land in germany.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:04:45 AM PST

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          •  The "danger" he is in (0+ / 0-)

            is of his own devising. No one knew or cared about him before he decided to load up 4 government laptops with classified documents and flee the country with it...and then compound things by gloating that he sought that job solely for the purposes of having access to classified information... and now he's shocked that the US government does not particularly cotton to such behavior and cannot figure why they are being so mean to him to want to incarcerate him for a very long time...

            Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

            by awesumtenor on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:32:34 AM PST

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          •  And we chased him there. (1+ / 0-)
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            "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

            by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:29:13 AM PST

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            •  Apparently so that we could make attacks (0+ / 0-)

              on Snowden's moral credibility, since that's the only remotely positive thing the U.S. government gets out of having him there.

              Brilliant f**king foreign policy/security, fellas.

              I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:35:32 AM PST

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        •  See Mark Lippman's comment above (0+ / 0-)

          re: what Snowden did in his first press conference last July.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:34:06 AM PST

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    •  No where the confusion occured is him trying (1+ / 0-)
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      to read Snowden's mind and the reason why he had to triangulate, i.e. our dear government cutting off every line of escape by hounding him to ground.

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:28:31 AM PST

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  •  is there a transcript? (3+ / 0-)

    Im having 'puter issues, cant view the vid's.

    If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

    by Lady Libertine on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:30:47 AM PST

  •  One of the (6+ / 0-)

    funny/sad side-effects of the NSA spying scandal is that a lot of authoritarian liberals who previously cared not a lick about human rights in Russia or Venezuela or Ecuador are suddenly super concerned. You get the sense some of them would like to see another Cold War with Russia because they think -- stupidly -- that it would embarrass Snowden.

    •  Another one of the (1+ / 0-)
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      funny/sad side-effects is the potential for civil rights infringement in the future is far more important for many than actual civil rights violations occurring in the here and now...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:41:15 AM PST

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      •  Agree (0+ / 0-)

        In the here and now the attack on voting rights is the single most dangerous and damaging thing going on. I trumps all other, IMO.

        I'm not saying that one can't hold both in contempt at the same time, but when it comes to immediate threats it's the biggie from which all others will flow.

        Just my opinion.

        And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

        by high uintas on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:03:48 AM PST

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        •  While you are entitled to believe that (0+ / 0-)

          for me, as a black man, the fact that republican politicians can openly mention the repeal of the 14th amendment and making citizenship a privilege rather than a right and the fact that someone could kill me in parts of this nation for no reason whatsoever and then argue at trial that I was deserving of death and be believed or the fact that the Susan Smiths and Charles Stuarts of the world can do heinous things and say some fictitious black guy did it and they will be believed ... those things tell me and other persons of color in this society that if the greatest thing we had to  fear is electoral disenfranchisement we'd take that...without hesitation.

          The biggie for us is the clear and present danger to life and limb for us, our children and our grandchildren...from gung ho self-appointed vigilantes emboldened by SYG statutes to law enforcement and it will continue to be hazardous for us as we navigate our way through a society that in many respects and from many groups and institutions is openly hostile to us as long as those who are supposed to be on our side continue to disregard those threats to liberty that they dont have to deal with because they are not persons of color.

          Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

          by awesumtenor on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:39:57 PM PST

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  •  OWS was violent at times. (1+ / 0-)
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    And there is no doubt that the U.S. is a liberal democracy, with a handful of flaws.

    Russia? Autocratic dictatorship, tries to rebuild the USSR by subjugating its neighbors, persecutes LGBT people, backs genocide in Syria...

    •  I was at Occupy Los Angeles, Occupy Oakland,... (11+ / 0-)

      ...Occupy UC Davis, Occupy Berkeley, Occupy Venice and not once I saw anything that was violent or anything that justified the police brutality that took place in Oakland, Davis and Los Angeles.  And it all happened under Obama.

      Yes, the LGBT repression in Russia is bad.  One of its inspirations was our own intolerant fundamentalists who traveled there to help them write their laws.

      Ukraine has been involved in wars and ethnic conflicts for over 1000 years.  Obama got us out of Iraq and stumbled out of Afghanistan.  Guantanamo is still going on and if either McCain or Romney had been elected (almost) we would probably be subjugating all kinds of people.

      Genocide in Syria?  Syria is screwed up but genocide?  Even Genocide Watch is not there yet.

      I understand you are a newbie. Advice; if you are going to say something do some research and put some links.

      Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

      by Shockwave on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:02:39 AM PST

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      •  Shockwave (1+ / 0-)
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        calling the poster out as a newbie and dissing the comment because it is without links? He/she made a point, it doesn't need links.

        * [new]  OWS was violent at times. (1+ / 0-)
        And there is no doubt that the U.S. is a liberal democracy, with a handful of flaws.

        Russia? Autocratic dictatorship, tries to rebuild the USSR by subjugating its neighbors, persecutes LGBT people, backs genocide in Syria...

        Show me where the need for links is in that comment.

        And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

        by high uintas on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:58:52 AM PST

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        •  Again (3+ / 0-)
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          Genocide in Syria is news to me.

          Assad is screwed up but genocide?

          Russia subjugates Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Mongolia, the Stans?

          Certainly Ukraine is different given the ethnic conflicts and wars that go back 1000 years and the large Russian ethnic group in Ukraine that comprises almost 20% of the population.  I greatly dislike Putin but I cannot generalize that he "subjugates Russian neighbors".

          BTW I would love an explanation of how we are "liberal" democracy.   Some states yes, but not throughout.

          I checked his/her comment stream and was not impressed either.

          I just had my coffee so I'll be more pleasant.

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          by Shockwave on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:11:15 AM PST

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        •  How about linking to evidence of OWS' violence. (2+ / 0-)
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          As a member of that movement, I remember 3 reports of breaking a window, and the knocking over of a scale model of Oakland City Hall. This, for a nationwide movement.

          Holding that up in my mind against the images i saw on Livestream in real time of police actions toward OWS that were violent in the extreme and inflicted on non-violent, unarmed people makes the talking point actually disgusting to me. Who shot an unarmed person in the back of the head? Who beat an unarmed veteran until his spleen burst and then left him on the floor of his cell for ten hours in agony? Who handcuffed one of our own Kossacks to a bench in a detention center for hours without his heart medication? OWS was violent?

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:43:30 AM PST

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      •  Thank you Shockwave (1+ / 0-)
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        You've always had my respect. You still do.

        And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

        by high uintas on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:07:31 AM PST

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      •  Ukraine is conflicted, but Russia is to blame. (1+ / 0-)
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        At least partially. Yes, there is no doubt there is conflict between the western and eastern parts of Ukraine. Yes, it's not easy to solve. At the same time, it's not hard to see that Russia is in large part to blame. When Yanukovych wanted to sign the association agreement, Russia exercised stringent pressure and he backed off. This is mostly how the crisis started.

        Syria isn't genocide for now, but it is mass killing, for which Russia is responsible. I recognize I may have gone a little too far with that statement.

        And please, I don't like the comments when people compare to what Putin is doing with his neighbors to some U.S. actions abroad. The last time I checked the U.S. has not invaded Cuba or suspended NAFTA to force Mexico to change its laws. This cannot compare to Russia's imperialism and utter lack of respect for the wishes of other sovereign nations.

        •  We did try to invade Cuba (1+ / 0-)
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          Remember the Bay of Pigs?

          And as far as respecting other sovereign nations I could go on and on.  Our imperialism has taken more subtle forms in spite of Irak and the neo-cons and since Chile under Allende, Guatemala under Arbenz, etc.

          But yes on a scale of 1 to 10 Russia is a 3 we are something like a 6.

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          by Shockwave on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:36:29 AM PST

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          •  I would go for both being a 6 or 7 (1+ / 0-)
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            based on behavior since WW11

            "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

            by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:47:28 AM PST

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          •  Bay of Pigs was 50 years ago (1+ / 0-)
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            And it paled with what Russia did in Eastern Europe after WWII, controlling the entire region and making sure that even the slightest hint of change (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968) was brutally suppressed. It's not like the U.S. is innocent here, but Russia is an entirely different league. The Iraq war wasn't justified, but the country had been a pariah state for more than a decade before the war.

            I agree that Chile, Guatemala etc were more subtle examples of pressure.

            •  Certainly Saddam Hussein was a complete a$%ole (2+ / 0-)
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              But we supported him when he went to war with Iran where the CIA had a long history.

              The Soviet Union was a completely totalitarian empire.  Trust me, I have my Cold War credentials. But it is not like we were sinless throughout our history and during the Cold War and even recently.

              Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, Dominican Republic were not so subtle.  Even Cuba before Castro was a victim of our imperialist tendencies.

              We have improved since Vietnam to a degree even though much of the military/industrial complex is champing at the bit about Iran.  We stayed out of Syria not for lack of trying.

              So yes, we can teach Russia how to become less disliked by neighbors but we should do it like a recovering alcoholic to a new member of Alcoholic Anonymous not like a school child.

              And let's not go into the Snowden affair.  Europe and Latin America are moving away since the disclosures and specially since the diversion of the Bolivian President's plane.

              We are not as bad a serial killer as Russia but we have been one.  And we should remember how important the Soviet Union was in WWII.  With no Soviet Union the nazis would still rule Europe, D Day would have been a disaster and using nukes in Europe too.

              I think we should not speak as some sort of virgin when we have worked at a bordello.

              And I apologize for calling you a newbie.

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              by Shockwave on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:43:08 AM PST

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      •  Disgusting spin. Just disgusting. (1+ / 0-)
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        One of those moments when I hope this is OMS.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:38:32 AM PST

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    •  I can only speak to Occupy Wall Street... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...but when I went through Zucotti park around that time (I do deal professionally with Wall Street) I was far more frightened by the cops than the protestors, who, except for some crimes against good quality protest music, were harmless and polite.

    •  Unbelievable. That's what it's become? (2+ / 0-)
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      "OWS was violent at times?"

      On the one hand, you've got "3 windows were broken!""the scale model of Oakland City Hall was knocked over!"

      On the other, hand you've got Scott Olsen shot in the back of the head for standing quietly and protesting.

      Disgusting spin.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:37:56 AM PST

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  •  My thoughts exactly (3+ / 0-)
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    The treatment of the PR girls was exactly the same as the some of police brutality during the Occupy demonstrations.

    I've also gotten a creeping feeling of dread over the riots in the Ukraine.  How much longer before snipers target our protestors?

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:41:18 AM PST

  •  Typical media hypocrisy (3+ / 0-)
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    The treatment of Pussy Riot vs OWS in our media and by our government and political leaders is no different than the treatment of the Solidarity movement in the 80's.
    The media and politicians, especially Republicans, loved the Solidarity union in Poland, because they were fighting against the big bad communistic Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.

    In our own country of course they did everything in their power to demonize and destroy American unions and continue to do so today by and large.

    And of course we get the media outrage over the treatment of Pussy Riot by Putin, but very little sustained outrage over how OWS protesters were treated by local governments and law enforcement.

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:41:48 AM PST

    •  We have learnt from the past we make (2+ / 0-)
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      no fly lists, we infiltrate peace and green groups, we mercilessly transmit fluff and propaganda 24/7, we torture and invade other countries...I do wish we would take the mote out of our own eye first

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:37:31 AM PST

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    in the minority here but I don't see this as black and white.

    First, he did say that there are many good reasons to be supportive of Snowden, but finds that his coming out against secrecy abuses in the U.S. - and Australia now - while being unable to fully decry human rights abuses in Russia a bit ironic.

    We didn't chase Snowden to Russia.  I think the government should let him come home without facing prison.

    But we should all stop and hold suspect any anti-west message that is sanctioned by the Russian government.

    And LOD was pointing out that - in his opinion - people getting beaten in the street is far worse than people having their data collected.

    In his opinion.  Which he is allowed to have.  

    By the way, LOD is the first and loudest to decry police and state brutality.  He didn't see the NSA issue as a big deal until his panel of guests changed his mind, sure.

    Maybe he still doesn't.  But in my mind he is correct that brutality is far worse than NSA spying.

    And by the way, both Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes find the NSA's behavior reprehensible.  So this is about LOD and not MSNBC.  

    Frankly when people are being beaten (and killed) in the streets - here, Russia, Ukraine - I have little patience with Snowden bleating about the U.S. and Australia collecting data.  The timing is wrong when people are dying at the hands of their government as we speak.

    •  Nothing is black or white, I was just noting (1+ / 0-)
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      the deliberate confusing of the issue.

      I have heard nothing coming out of Putin's mouth that hasn't been said by most republicans at some point or other, some think Russia is behind the times, yet the more I listen to Republicans he is our near future.

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 08:41:14 AM PST

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  •  thx. i sat there w my middle finger pointed at (3+ / 0-)
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    lawrence o donnell.  i've never done that to the t.v.  there is simply no logic or connection between pussy riot getting hit with a stick and snowden

    the guy has a huge lib beef with snowden. i guess i have to give him some credit for wearing his sold out heart on his sleeve, and risking reputation on w express elevator ride to Important floor with Halperin, David Gregory, and their intern Chuck Todd.

    Was really a beautiful balance to the news that taibbi was heading to First Look.  that is so huge.  and here is lawrence taking cheap shots on the guy who jump started this phase of democratization that we are now in.

    what lincoln said http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/10/abraham-lincoln-was-on-to-wind-power-long-before-the-rest/

    by rasfrome on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 07:05:55 AM PST

  •  Thank you for this diary! (3+ / 0-)

    Every time I hear one of our officials talk about the right of people to peacefully protest in Kiev, or Egypt, or anywhere else in the world, I wince.  

    How about OWS and our old friend from the NYPD Tony Bologna with the pepper spray?

    Give me a break.  Our country's leaders are as full o' fecal matter as the rest of them.

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