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We have all seen how the teahadists and birthers have sundered the Republican party between its corporate elite and the frothing at the mouth base.

The Washington Post has a but, but Democrats are divided as well article up.

Though more united than Republicans, Democrats nevertheless face simmering tensions between the establishment and a newly energized populist wing, led by the unabashed liberalism of New York Mayor Bill de Blasio and the fiery rhetoric of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
But at least they publish the real kicker:
“There’s been consensus in both parties since the 1990s Clinton days where big corporations run the show and both parties suck up to them and everything else falls into place from there,” he said. “The Elizabeth Warren wing really believes in challenging the current state of who has power and who has influence.
We have all seen the vast expenditure by billionaires in support of the extreme right wing of the Republican Party because that wing will only enrich them further in the short term.

There is no equivalence of that here on the left, even though the right think there is some New World Order seeking to turn the US communist. They also seem to forget the collective centrists attacks on the Occupy Movement, which really did stand for inclusion and equality.

Both the left and the right know that the vast sticky center of our corporately sponsored elite is that there is something fundamentally wrong with the system.

The subtle difference is that

The right wing want to divide then purify the country in their own image.

The left want to knock the elite down a peg or three, and include all.

If only it was individualist [although there is a tiny group of these on the right] v collectivist [we also have a few libertarians on the left], it's more the hive mind v social cohesion.

The right seeks out groups to deride, women, people of color, other religions and gays. It promotes a imaginary golden age, which seems to involve rich christian white men and their obedient wives living in perfect harmony; with all others excluded from  or serving this hell on earth.

The left strives for unity and inclusion and is not afraid of using collective power to bring into line those that have accumulated too much power.

The main difference in approach is to my mind

The extreme right are prepared to slash, burn and exclude all that do not conform.

The left want to build and improve the situation of all.

That is at least my view from here on the left, and yes we do have a few on our side that get quite excited.

Oh and just a note what the US corporate media and elites deem to be extreme leftist communism if not bordering on fascism. Kristallnacht! Hitler! Stalin! is pretty much centrist European politics.

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  •  Tip Jar: I've left out (16+ / 0-)

    Conspiracy theories, Benghazi!!!, the Caliphate and Sharia law as they only tend to confuse.

    ;-)

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 02:30:48 AM PST

  •  Here We Go Again with the Mysterious (0+ / 0-)

    "Left"....

    The left want to knock the elite down a peg or three, and include all.
    Where are these active "leftists", I wonder, and what exactly are they doing to bring the Giant down a "peg or three"?

    "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:14:35 AM PST

    •  Well I can think of a few (7+ / 0-)

      Warren, Sanders and quite a few in the progressive caucus from time to time

      http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/...
      http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/...

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:24:21 AM PST

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      •  Sorry, a small handful (2+ / 0-)
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        of progressives in congress are NOT enough to bring the Giant down.

        and let's dispense with the notion we have thirty years to solve the now TEN or so critical problems our nation faces.

        as a favorite prof of mine in college was fond of saying, "It's later than you think".

        "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

        by Superpole on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:31:50 AM PST

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        •  No its not enough, I never hinted it was even (6+ / 0-)

          close.

          It starts from the grassroots, and coming from Vermont there has been a stark shift in the State over the last 50 years and it started at local politics even in my home count of Essex there has been a shift [a real slow one]

          The change is never coming from the top down.

          Also the left in the US is a pretty mild definition of what is politically left.

          "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

          by LaFeminista on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:35:15 AM PST

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      •  Yes, but the coronation of HRC proves we're not (6+ / 0-)

        serious.  

        If we were serious, we'd be challenging the Clinton Corporation.  I mean is she being held hostage by fat cats or what?  

        We're going to get deluged with propaganda before long selling nothing but identity politics to distract us from issues.  We'll have lots of photo ops of HRC with women and brown people but the policy is all going to made by whoever is at all those closed door dinners and I have a hunch that if we could find a member of the wait staff to turn on a camera, they'd look a heck of lot like the folks who were attending Romney's dinners.

        •  Challenge it how? (3+ / 0-)
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          PrahaPartizan, Johnny Q, unfangus

          If you mean, we shouldn't be supporting Hillary, you're right and I'm not. Nobody in my family is going to vote for her. I'll get pilloried on here for saying that, of course. Naderite! Teahadist! You Are Not of the Body!

          and this is spot-on:

          We'll have lots of photo ops of HRC with women and brown people but the policy is all going to made by whoever is at all those closed door dinners and I have a hunch that if we could find a member of the wait staff to turn on a camera, they'd look a heck of lot like the folks who were attending Romney's dinners.
          But what would constitute a real challenge to the Clinton corporation, in your mind? My family withdrawing our votes from her doesn't sound like enough of a challenge.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 08:39:04 AM PST

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          •  You'd need a real primary challenge with (6+ / 0-)

            someone leading an AUTHENTIC reform movement which could attract middle class support.  Sheesh, the centrists have destroyed the word reform too.  

            It just isn't there and I don't know if we're going to see it in my lifetime.  I feel like we're being totally gamed.  Both parties seem to be trying to divide the country along racial lines to pit the white serfs against the brown serfs with the plutocrats laughing all the way to the Caymans.  

            I mean, yeah, of late the Democrats are doing some nods at populist issues.  They're posing on minimum wage and unemployment benefits but that doesn't address any structural economic problems of the kind that build support for reform within the MIDDLE class and support a MIDDLE class wage and benefit structure.  They distract us on minimum wage while they cut trade deals to destroy middle class jobs.

            •  So start smaller. (2+ / 0-)

              There's old rhetoric that the 50 states are "the laboratories of democracy".  So take one over.

              Institute a specific state agenda.  Free education for all, K-12 and college.  State funded.

              90% income tax on anything over $1m.

              No state lottery.

              100% renewable energy mandate.

              Just do it.  Real world examples are important.

              -7.75 -4.67

              "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

              There are no Christians in foxholes.

              by Odysseus on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 10:39:58 AM PST

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              •  I like this idea a lot. (2+ / 0-)
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                But it would be better (if possible) to do it in several states at a time. One state at a time results in the Right concentrating their attacks on that state, as in Wisconsin (sorry guys, I feel we weren't there for you enough! will try to do better next time).

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 10:46:32 AM PST

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    •  you do realize (2+ / 0-)
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      LaFeminista, DerAmi

      that your sig line quotes the principal architect of militant american imperialism, right?

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:35:48 AM PST

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    •  I'm here, but like most I'm exhausted after (1+ / 0-)
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      Johnny Q

      that whole Trojan Horse thing we came through a few years ago.

      Those of us who were taken in by that trick and since have been reeling haven't ceased to be "left" just because we made a bad mistake and trusted the wrong people.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 08:33:27 AM PST

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  •  democrats like democracy (5+ / 0-)

    republicans don't even like republic. they prefer what came before democracy and republic.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 03:33:59 AM PST

  •  The Difference is Billionaires. (4+ / 0-)

    There are scores of billionaires fighting to make the US an authoritarian aristocratically run country.

    There does not exist a billionaire anywhere on earth willing to fight to make the US a progressive society.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 05:16:52 AM PST

    •  Tom Steyer, Larry Page, and Sergei Brin to name (2+ / 0-)
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      nextstep, Odysseus

      a few with ten digits of wealth who surely have acceptable progressive mindsets. George Soros maybe as well. Are there even "scores" of billionaires in the US?

      “Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.” Richard Nixon, 1977.

      by Kvetchnrelease on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 05:49:29 AM PST

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    •  for the billionaires it doesn't matter if its (4+ / 0-)
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      corvo, terremoto, PrahaPartizan, unfangus

      a theocracy or if abortions are available, etc. The real concern is access to Treasury and the Fed, contracts and deregulation upon which profits are based. Crony capitalism is why DC and NY are thriving economies. Partisan advertising is a small price to pay to distract voters from watching the plutocrats behind the curtain. DC is a company town and doing business is most of what goes on there, partisanship is part of the advertising budget. Extreme partisanship, inequality and money in politics are correlated, as Justice Powell well knew when he designed the new system in Buckley and other decisions. Punch and Judy fights along partisan lines make national consensus against a corrupt system more difficult, as Washington predicted in the farewell address. Unlikely he would want his name associated with the place. The feeling would be mutual, we don't celebrate his birthday anymore, even when it's a national holiday.

    •  I don't know about that. (0+ / 0-)

      What I know is that there are nowhere near enough billionaires or hundred-millionaires willing to fight. I'd think that climate change and the probability of 7 billion dead over the course of roughly 50 years would be enough to light a fire under their asses and get past their loyalty to their own class, but apparently not.

      Rich people have this thing where they don't challenge other rich people, even when they think they're wrong. They just establish little fiefdoms and ignore what's happening the next fiefdom over.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 08:43:47 AM PST

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  •  You said it: (2+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista, Maverick80229

    The left pushes to help, the right pushes to hurt.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 05:39:23 AM PST

  •  Oh please, we have limited power on the left (0+ / 0-)

    because we don't have Koch millions of dollars behind us.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 05:53:13 AM PST

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